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I used gasket shellac on mine. gas and oil proof....

https://www.permatex.com/products/gasketing/gasket-sealants/permatex-indian-head-gasket-shellac-compound/

Evan

HM 1103

Happy Holidays Fuzzy!

Kerianne can't make a lasange without you and George coming up in the conversation.

Regards,

Evan

Hmmmmm....

Maybe someone mistook mushrooms for sugar plums?

Evan

You may, however, want to also think about the Bellhousing, as those sometimes end up being below the oil pan level.

Evan

What motor are you running?

I have a SBF with the Moroso front sump, and the pan is at the level of the frame rails.

Evan

Hey Jason,

Most people run 4" backspacing.  Some have run more, some less. What size tires are you considering?

Evan
HM1103

I actually have the Team III wheels. I went for the bolt on type to be able to acurately torque them for track use.

See my build thread for pictures.  They take awhile, and are not cheap. But, they are beautiful pieces.

Evan

Hey Chris.

I think Mike W Has them on his car.

He has posted pictures of his wheels and tires on the second page of the Build Pictures section.

They look OK. They are steel rims with plastic/fiberglass covers. They should be fine with the standard brakes/hubs. If you upgrade to the wilwoods, I would recommend aluminum wheels. The wilwood front hub assemblies need an adapter to use steel rims.

Just one more thing to think about!

Regards,

Evan

Hey Josh.

Hey Josh.

Communication has been spotty lately with anyone at Hurricane. Holidays I think.

I spoke with Jason yesterday by phone. (not really an option for you, eh?) Rich Burroughs has taken a few days (or more) to reply to my emails, and has been replying via his blackberry, it appears.

I do not communicate with Mike at all it seems, though I copy him on a lot of stuff.

Jason is sending me some stuff, so the shop is open.....

Regards,

Evan

Hey Dugly,

At first glance, I would go with the crown vic motor. As long it is straight and true, and there are no cracks or other problems.

You can use the other for a spare! What a luxury!

Using the 13726548 firing order for a carb motor is no problem. That's what I am using on mine.

I think the EFI electronics were only made with this firing order. You may need to change the cam anyway if you switch from carb to EFI. It may require a different grind.

BTW, there are aftermarket 4 bolt mains for the 302 block (and 351 too). Milodon is one manufacturer.

http://www.milodon.com/main-caps/main-caps.asp

Eagle makes them also.

www.eaglerod.com

They come with a drill guide and such.

I went with the girdle because I thought tying them all together would be stronger.

The 4 bolt caps would still depend on the block webbing for stiffness, I thought that they could still "walk" individually.

Be careful of clearance issues with the girdle! See my build thread. Make sure you get a girdle that will clear a stroker crank, if you are using one. Watch out for the oil pump too.

Regards,

Evan

Hey Doug.

The firing orders are deternined by the cam shafts. Either one will work in either block.

13726548 for late model 302 and 351 motors. If you are using EFI, this is the one to use.

15426378 for early 302.

It should say on the cam sheet the firing order to use.

Either of your blocks would be fine to use for a build. I would pick the one in the best physical shape with the least wear.

The area I would be concerned about would be bottom end strength. The 2-bolt mains can "walk" under high stress, with disatrous results. Putting a mains "girdle" on the motor will strengthen it considerably.

Evan

Just FYI, The 351 is a taller block than the 302. The motor mounts are similar, but the headers are different.

Evan

Hi Eric,

First, the book you mention is a great place to start. I have it, along with 6 or 7 others listed on Amazon. They all have alot of the same info, but each one differs also. Each one has some info the others do not. Each one shows different techniques and ways to build the motor. I would urge you to have as many sources of info as you can. Try the local library for shop manuals too. I have found that I go back to them time and again.

Second, I strongly considered the PAW kits when planning how to build my motor. They are a good start for those inexperienced in parts selection. The books mentioned above have sections on parts selection. There are other "kit" sellers out there too, as well as assembled short blocks and long blocks. All the previous comments about checking clearances and such apply. Even if you buy an assembled short block, you should double check everything!

I chose to build my own engine from the ground up. I did order some parts in "kit" form, like the balanced rotating assembly. This helped save some time.

I also have experience in engine building, so this task did not seem to be more than I could handle. I just really wanted to build the thing from scratch, and didn't much care if I saved a few bucks, or if I had a few problems. I was going for the experience.

I would second the recommendations from everyone about finding a good machine shop. I would also recommend that you don't build it alone. Get as many experienced people involved as you can. Even inexperienced people can help alot. A second set of eyes, an extra pair of hands, a different viewpoint. It all helps. You will probably have alot of curious friends and neighbors who you can enlist for things like degreasing and painting. (Adult Beverages required and encouraged....)

Buying a short block, and having a more "bolt together" build might be more enjoyable for you. Or even starting with a long block.

Anyway you go, even with a crate motor, there will still be things you need to buy and install.

I think your engine choice is very do-able. I originally was going to do a 351 Windsor, but changed to a 302 stroked to 341. You might also want to consider a 302 based motor. They are smaller and lighter and can easily be made to approach the HP and TQ you are thinking of. They also are easier to cram into the engine bay!

You will find a lot of experience and advice on this site. As you can read, there are alot of different approaches. Do what you are comfortable with and have fun. Thereare alot of people here who would enjoy seeing you succeed, and will help when asked!

Good Luck,

Evan
HM1103, 341 Stroker, IRS w/3.27, Willwoods all around

Hey Rich,

You can take HM1103 and use it for your pics if you want!

Just feel free to leave it all painted and assembled afterwards!

I won't mind at all!

Evan

Hi All,

Went down to London and met Rich and Mike at the Quaker Steak. Got a ride in the Black #98. Signed the papers and gave them the check!

All I can say now is.......

IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET?

WHEN'S IT COMING? WHEN'S IT COMING? WHEN'S IT COMING? WHEN'S IT COMING? WHEN'S IT COMING? WHEN'S IT COMING? WHEN'S IT COMING? WHEN'S IT COMING? WHEN'S IT COMING? WHEN'S IT COMING? WHEN'S IT COMING? WHEN'S IT COMING? WHEN'S IT COMING? WHEN'S IT COMING? WHEN'S IT COMING? WHEN'S IT COMING? WHEN'S IT COMING? WHEN'S IT COMING?

Now I can get to work building the motor while I wait!

Hopefully Rich and Mike will see this and turn me on to the dark side!

Regards,

Spuddyboy
HM1103, 351W TBD, TKO500