found out that the White"s defaulted on yet another deal. quack, quack, quack or another egg laid by an animal.
Sue me if I am wrong.....I DARE YA!!!!!
Jay
Ya dem chickens keep on layin eggs, da ducks keep on quackin and da poo in da barn yard jus keep gittin deeper. :-X
It's a shame that "so called " business people can't do the right thing, no matter what the circumstances are. Just like our government leaders, CEO's and large companys can't get it right either.
What is this world coming to...it's not good. :-/
Da Hunch is most likely a good one!
Not shocked Bill
Some might say these cliches would be "apropot:"
"Easy come, easy go."
"Keep you day job."
"All hat and no cows."
"... robbing Peter to Pay Paul..."
"Which shell is the marble under?"
"Round and round she goes, where she stops, nobody knows."
"... all we need now is some venture capital."
"Smoke & Mirrors."
It is not uncommon for an entrepreneur to go bankrupt four, five, six times, or even go a lifetime before achieving a modicum of success through get rich quick schemes.
Me, I chose the get rich slow method. 20 years and counting at the same employer and invested a lifetime of dreams and savings into my tribute car. I hope no one we know or hold dear got rolled up in the latest default.
Jay, thanks again.
If papa White's day job is construction, he's gotta be hurting in this economy. That means dumb and dumber might have to get by with fewer toys. ;D
Wish I were proved wrong, but I was sure of this outcome early on.
Matt
[size=12]Could someone translate for me?[/size]
Sounds like all is not well in the land of the white knights and dark days...tis a real teaser, this here thread, ya sows whatcha reap ????
:-?
Is it time for the owner's group to make an offer?
come on guys lets not pick on them
Are you just THAT clueless or haven't you read what the hell is going on here? Yes some money transfered but KEEP UP with what the heck is going on. Selective reading and the "head in the sand syndrom, or wherever you have it" are not helping you here.
Try going to the new owners group website and get a grip.
Jay
Jay,
Okay, you were part of the new Hurricane but something fell apart in the deal. That's fine. Then the new owners that ousted you are screwing things up. That's fine too. I don't see any purpose of your grade school comments other than to try to stir the pot. You are no longer a part of Hurricane, if it even still exists. Time to get over it, grow up and move on. ::)
Jim
Hey, I agree with Jim.
Jay what's your story, you got "the shaft and not the mine", so what happened? We need to have better understanding of what happrened to you and your deal with the Whites's, a little more insight would clear up the situation. :-?
It's apparent that these guys are not very bright and most likely broke due to the economy. :-/
Perhaps the company assets will be on the market in the future, ready for somebody to pick-up and go forward..... ::)
Who knows, maybe we will be the only owners of the Arps/Burroughs Hurricane SC 427's, and they will become collector cars....like...you know. ;D
Anyway, Best regards to everyone, Bill
Let's chill
QuoteSome of us are a bit slow on getting on the new site.
Paul P. has developed a new site, www.hm-cobra.proefrock.net/ check it out and register.....ken
Thanks, Fuzzy. I checked it out and it appears to be an owners' only website, is that correct? Since I'm only a "hopeful" at this point, nothing to add to the registry, I have to ask before I leap--is the site membership available to the faithful wannabe's, too?
Dugly :-?
QuoteAre you just THAT clueless or haven't you read what the hell is going on here?
Or maybe an enema and some metamucil ::)
All,
Maybe Jay does need to get his pipes cleaned out. I know I could stand a good cleaning after the reaming I got from doing business with Hurricane Texas, ala Ray, Chris and Carl.
I hope the following yarn out of Texas will assist in cooling everyone's jets... This is a story about a fictitious man named Jed and some ficticious businessmen by the sir name Black. This is going to require some work on your part to clearly see the story through to the end.
1. Jed was not ousted from Texas Tornado LLC, but quit his association with the Blacks. This followed the Black's use of Jed's name and reputation in their press release to bolster their position in the competitive golden fleece market. Incidentally, the press release is still up on the Texas Tornado LLC website. The Black's simply wanted him as a figurehead.
2. The Blacks's had no prior involvement with golden fleece and likely TT1003 was the first golden fleece any of them had ever operated.
3. When Tornado was purchased, the Black's were in K-ville investigating another investment deal. When that deal fell through, the investment broker showed them Tornado on a lark.
4. Tornado was acquired as an asset purchase. Up-front purchase price was discounted with the Black's promising royalties on the first double-digit golden fleeces sold.
5. Royalties on the first double-digit golden fleeces were earmarked by the previous owners for customer-service liabilities that the Black's refused to tender.
6. To date, Texas Tornado LLC has not sold any golden fleeces; therefore, there are no earmarks for liabilities.
7. Jed is out tens of thousands of dollars, yes plural tens, for his effort to ensure that three golden fleeces were as wooly as they should be, but Jed doesn't blow his own horn.
8. Texas Tornado LLC still does not have a jig to appropriately sew the pockets for SBF golden fleeces. So buy a BBF golden fleece (if you dare).
9. Folks, this ain't about barely keeping your family fed or the downturn, but rather about the loss of down home values. I have pressed the flesh with the Black's, had the principles of Texas Tornado LLC at my house, and been to the golden fleece factory twice. I started working with them regarding SBF pockets in July '08 and gave up in December '08.
10. Texas Tornado LLC's parent company has its fingers in more than one business dealing where folks are PO'd and reviewing their positions with counsel.
It seems that if the Tornado ever came up for sale, it would be to one's benefit to purchase only the assests and not the name or liablities and just start over with a new brand called Monsoon, with which one could enter the Golden Fleece market as a newbie but with a proven product, however, word travels fast in the Golden Fleece arena and the product would be known prior to offer. Thus whoever buys Tornado would need to be someone in the market as an owner and well respected business person. I'm still thinking I would be in as a silent partner if the right Tornado chaser decided to do it. There are still folks in the market looking and other than the jigs and molds, everything else is available in the market (if the suppliers stay around).
Ken
Dugly, I know this is a bit of a mish mash but that's about as clear as it should get here. As for the new site, maybe contact PaulP here on this site and ask him what's up for non-owners. I'm just a user....
My apologies for missing the sarcasm probably mispelled but hell I'm from west Texas.
To answer one thing said, I was not screwed my anyone at Hurricane, either Lee's Summit or Texas. If any of you remember, I resigned from Hurricane as not to be associated with the White's and their business practices and their lies. I took the position with Hurricane Texas llc with no pay or any contractual monetary figures. The money that I was out was strictly my choice to resign but to honor my word to people and customers of HM Lees Summit since I had been the initial negotiator of the agreement to purchase and had given MY WORD to certain people with the knowledge of the Whites.
If anyone would like to know the REAL story then I would reccomend that requests be made to PaulP with the new site, If he should feel that it be told (he knows most of it) then he can ask me to do so. Not on this site.
AS to the other smart ass remarks and the need for blood and guts stories that you seek, remember one thing...I don't need to get over anything or move on. I could have bought Hurricane without anyones help. And as far as moving on... maybe you should because you do not know of what you speak either with/about me or what is happening here.
I don't have a humming bird ass that is over powered by my alligator mouth.
Jay
ps. If anyone feels that these cars will become collector cars then they should study history of Arntz, Arntz/Butler, Componentcraft, Kellison Stallion, Pacific, NAF, etc. Be proud that you have these cars and that YOU and YOU only make them what they are and will be. Remember that for the next week, I still have one and have owned more that all but one purchaser.
QuoteDugly, I know this is a bit of a mish mash but that's about as clear as it should get here.
HEY Matt and you asked if i was on meds?
Greed is the Ultimate sin.
that is what? if you knew how to read between lines,
what i typed some time ago.
Look, you either know how, learn how or get back at the end of the line.
Seems Texas is big on every thing, here where i'am at it had been done already yesterday ;D
cs
Greed is relative, and sometimes relatives.... ;D
Ya'll keep your noses clean....some one there is going to reap what they sowed sooner or later. :)
Hey, when I said these cars might become collector cars, I"m thinkin like this! ;D
1) You might want more than one.
2) You might collect awards.
3) You might collect positive comments.
4) You might be able to get more money for it if somebody else is collecting Hurricanes.
5) You might get a big pain in the Ass from workin on it all the time.
6) THE TAX COLLECTOR MIGHT WANT IT! :-/
Come on...let's lighten up here and not be so glum about what has happened.
Best Regards, Old Bill :)
"Never argue with idiots. they will bring you down to their level, then overwhelm you with their experience". Dave Johnson
Thanks Bill,
Never thought I would collect anything other than bills, but I have got a few nice comments on 38.
http://www.naturesongs.com/cricket1.wav
Research the Dallas Morning News or FT worth star Telegram and search for Ray White or crw investments. The chit has hit the fan.
Jay
Thanks Jay, for the tip and direction regarding what is happening with the White's and CRW investments.
It sounds like you were very smart to sever ties with those folks in Texas. It appears they now have major problems to deal with, and any future for Hurricane Motorsports is questionable at the best.
I really appreciate all your help and contributions to a product we all love, hopefully something good will come from all this mess.
Bill ;)
QuoteResearch the Dallas Morning News or FT worth star Telegram and search for Ray White or crw investments.
Sounds like time for some of our folks to give the judge a call re. things they might be owed by Hurricane. Time to get listed as being owed parts you sent in , things Chris promised you, hopefully you have a paper trail or an email trail....get your claim in quick.... :o
Hmmmmm
And now we know the "REST OF THE STORY"
http://news.tradingcharts.com/futures/9/8/121500689.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/crime/stories/030509dnbusponzi.26ae9bf.html
Well the fat lady has sung.
Its over, The bussiness will most certainly be tied up for years in legal battles.
Randy
[size=12]More details:
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Court Filings:
SEC:
So what happens to people who have orders placed but not delivered?
No new orders have been taken since long before the sale of Hurricane. There are a couple of people that were promised a few parts. Unfortunately they will probably never see them but at least everyone that ordered a car, received one.
[size=16]Hopefully someone will buy the assets and make the company what it should (and could) be[/size]
crazy to say the least
It looks like Chris bought the company to use it to "funnel" cash thought and use it to fund his other racing endevors
I feel for people that got tied up with this guy, But living in metro NY we have a few notable ponzi schemes gone arry and I know some people that lost significant amounts in them. Its funny how one can see the signs but be in complete denile of them hoping for a different finale, we felt them here logging on looking for some good news but in our guts we knew how it would end
As for recievership I just purchased a comercial building through it and it can drag on for months with a purchase having to be cash only which in this ecconomy would limit prospective buyers
Just my 2 cents
Bobby
So what becomes of the assets? Do they auction them off? It would be great if a bunch of Cobra enthusiasts could form a LLP and re-start the company. I think the Hurricane 427 was a great looking car. Sorry, still is!! I was even considering building one in the future.
I'm sure the folks down in texas will keep us all posted as to the status of the sale
Bobby
QuoteSo what becomes of the assets?
Jim,you are absolutely correct, bad economy, nobody's spending their cash reserves, financing is questionable and car values are down.
There is very nice Superformance here in Havasu with a Roush engine, good car. He wanted $65000. two years ago...then $59900.....now $45000., where is it going to stop? :-/
Tough times call for patience and conservative thinking ...things will get better down the road.
Have fun with what you got..it's all smoke and mirrors anyway. :-?
Bill
Seems if one had the cash and a place to store the jigs, molds and bits and no hurry to get it up and running, this would be a great time to buy. All we need to do is find an honest business man that has heaps of money, lots of patience, a dry warehouse, integrity and is a gearhead...how hard can that be?
Hey Fuzz get Busy!
yes we fired up Bad Agnes once, and her vocals are loud and clear but now we are working on her fine acoustics and trust me you will
hear her over her heart beat she has a new soul now i replaced the Kenwoods with PDX Alpines to get more volume and save space in her trunk. Oh yes pics are to follow on our build site later.
you guys BYAO!
i have a hunch and they better stop giving our money away to failures.
oh i better not start up again i type for anyone who thinks they have a clue probably does not know how to read between lines.
anyway Iam on patrol and the HM build is finally coming into her own and it is Brilliant at the least.
dang me, hang me from the highest tree Bad Agnes don't ya weep for me!
cs
Sounds like good news my friend, waiting for the photos.
A smart person or persons might be able to capitalize on BO's stimulus money and start up a company with the assets! Possible??
you are to fast for yourself! :o
I was planning to buy a street car kit as a retirement project this year. What a shame that some crooked assholes can buy a reputable company selling a great product and run it into the ground in a few months. I don't know of anyone else selling an affordable street Cobra version.
DanC
Try ERA
QuoteI don't know of anyone else selling an affordable street Cobra version.
DanC
Dan, you might want to check out Unique Motorcars, here's a link:
http://www.uniquemotorcars.com/
Unique offers both 427 and 289 models and they have been in the business for a long time.
You'll have to take cobraspit's comments with a grain of salt.
I think he smokes a lot...... [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] ::)
QuoteYou'll have to take cobraspit's comments with a grain of salt.
I think he smokes a lot...... [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] ::)
Yeah, Dan, I've been here longer than Cobraspit, watched him when he was a newby and rejoiced when he could join the ranks of the owners.
y'all think to hard.
if Mr Fast took any part of that short sentence wrong then why in the heck are you saying what your saying?
if he may or may not have a problem with it at all.
it was just a short comment for his quick look into maybe stir interest to buy the HM Co.
now what have you been smoking?
i didn't even want to answer to this since 2fast4u wasn't complaining. nothing was said to harm him.
i hope you are all there when my nose is running ;D
have a good day moms'
ps maybe the eye popping character is what struck you wrong?
if i type here again it will be to your political structure :P
wow what a short comment can stir, really without saying too much anyway.
truly have fun heck i try.
cs
CS, I dig your comments, the slight challenge to figure out just what your sayin sometimes, but heart felt...keep on havin fun! ;D
Bill,
We're in this thing together, it's not a race, and it's not a competition, it's just brothers buildin the best cobra replica that use to be in production. ;)
May you have think you all want what believe you in....... :-?
Dna
huh?
Dan, you tokin' on the same pipe?
Dan
I either have to drink more or less because in my current state (nice buzz), I don't have the slightest idea what you said. ;D
Jim
Quotey'all think to hard.
if Mr Fast took any part of that short sentence wrong then why in the heck are you saying what your saying?
if he may or may not have a problem with it at all.
it was just a short comment for his quick look into maybe stir interest to buy the HM Co.
now what have you been smoking?
i didn't even want to answer to this since 2fast4u wasn't complaining. nothing was said to harm him.
i hope you are all there when my nose is running ;D
have a good day moms'
ps maybe the eye popping character is what struck you wrong?
if i type here again it will be to your political structure :P
wow what a short comment can stir, really without saying too much anyway.
truly have fun heck i try.
cs
I have no quarrel with your statements. I hope you understand why I wrote what I did about stimulus money. It was meant to conjure up a possible salvation of the Hurricane assets with the hope that someone might save the company. It wasn't meant to stir anyone up or poke fun at President Obama. My intentions are sincere. Many people know of my builds, including a FFR BBF Cobra Roadster and an over-the-top RCR GT40 MK in Gulf trim. They perceived you were slamming me. But I don't believe your were (at least I hope).
I hate to see kit car lovers get screwed by people like the ones who destroyed the Hurricane name. They make a great car, very original, and from what I've seen, beautiful when finished. I know a lot of people who got screwed from the Roaring Forties GT40 debacle. Many were out in excess of $35K. Money like that doesn't come easy for most of us. So when I see a company fold because of unscrupulous activities, I feel for the people who own the cars.
Well, enough said. I hope everyone has a great day.
Cheers
Bill
May the force be with you.....
Dan
And may peace be restored to our site.....ya all need to chill a bit, life is too short to get angry on forums...particularly this one, its mellow and we all hve the same goal in view, build a neat car with some of the best materials on the market and do it our own way and when things kinda fall apart, as has happened, we have a place to go to cry in our milk, rejoice in our collective successes and support each other no matter what color your car is (well, maybe not pink), what you have under the hood or where you got your wheels.
ken
QuoteAnd may peace be restored to our site.....ya all need to chill a bit, life is too short to get angry on forums...particularly this one, its mellow and we all hve the same goal in view, build a neat car with some of the best materials on the market and do it our own way and when things kinda fall apart, as has happened, we have a place to go to cry in our milk, rejoice in our collective successes and support each other no matter what color your car is (well, maybe not pink), what you have under the hood or where you got your wheels.
Fuzzy...You da man! ;)
If your walkin upright, .....your on the green side of the grass, ....and you got $5.00 for gas for your Cobra.....life is good, smile and be happy.
Havasu Bill ;D
QuoteTry ERA
ERA builds a beautiful car but I haven't figured any way it can be reasonable in price.
Dan
QuoteQuoteI don't know of anyone else selling an affordable street Cobra version.
DanC
Dan, you might want to check out Unique Motorcars, here's a link:
http://www.uniquemotorcars.com/
Unique offers both 427 and 289 models and they have been in the business for a long time.
With the downfall of Hurricane, I have turned my sights on a Unique Motorcars 289FIA car. I've seen several and must say, they are excellent and VERY period correct.
Isn't the Unique the one on the famous Cobra tire poster most of us have in our garages? Under car side pipes, pale blue and a forward mounting roll bar support? That's been my inspiration for many years.
That's the one, Ken!
Dugly, I sure wouldn't hold my breath for a Hurricane, sad to say....if you are ready to buy, might be able to cut some deal these days, always worth a try, I know there sure have been some deals on finished cars lately even on CC. I think if you bought the Unique you wouldn't be disappointed. I had seriously looked at one but they never responded to my questions about building a right hand drive one. Only Mike and Rich were willing to give it a try. The FIA car is really nice and if I was to do it over again, that is the route I'd go.
ken
Local (Houston) Unique rep is:
Terry Colley
www.33autos.com
terry@33autos.com
phone number: 713-729-8736
hours: Mon-Sat 9am-6pm CST
QuoteIsn't the Unique the one on the famous Cobra tire poster most of us have in our garages?
It was a full page ad for BF Goodrich TA Radials.
KEN
I hit post too quickly. http://autogrotto.com/onlinestore/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=643
KEN
I thought EVERY Cobra owner had one of those. Get them on E-Bay for about $10.
Jim
QuoteI've never seen the poster you refer to. Do you have a link or image of it?
Paul
IIRC, Paul, the poster to which Fuzzy is referring was an advertisement for the B F Goodrich tire company.
I've got the one the link points to that Ken posted. Right side of garage. I sure didn't pay $79 for it...guess if someone really wanted one, they would pay for it but there are a lot of other things my $79 could go for.
It has been one of my all time favorites and when people are over to the house and can't visualize what my Hurricane will look like finished, I just show them that for a general idea. I think they were originally $ 9.99 or something like that.
ken
Considering the status of the Texas bunch who bought Hurricane. I wonder how much longer this web site will be up?
Doing cost comparisons of various kits. So far a Unique looks to be about $4,000 more than a roughly equal IRS Factory Five kit. Not too much on the FF butt-in-the-air stance though and a few other details. I'm going to go down the ERA parts list tonight but they have always seemed very high (but a high quality car also).
I can spend hours--nay, days-- reading the info on the ERA website!
There is always the Unique Motorcars 289FIA kit. I like it very much