What a great day for a drive in a Cobra.....especially in OK....... :P :-/
Just wanted to get some opinions on engines choices.
First off....dont think I'll be doing much track time, maybe the drags every so often. The car will mostly be a street cruiser, just want to be able to smoke any little rice rocket or other misc. "sport" cars that pull up next to me at the red light.
So my question......FE or stroked 351.
Either way, I'm going to have to piece the engine together, but for the FE I was thinking of a Pond block and the 351 a Dart stroked to 427.
Has anyone had experience with both? How big is the difference in lowend to midrange torque? I know both will be to much power for a 2200 lb. car....but to much is just enough, right?
If anyone has a HM427 in the Fort Sill area of OK....like OKC or Dallas....I'd love to come by and check it out.
Chris B. let me come up and check out the "Killer Bee" he's got.......smokin' car.
thanks for all the input.
Jason
My $.02 worth--go for the stroked 351W.
I attended a Houston Cobra Club dyno day and the clear winners were the 427 stroked 351 W motors--great horsepower and a FAT torque curve.
IMO, a 408 is more than enough for a fun street car. But if you want a big cubes... why not a 460w?
http://www.theengineshop.com/prods_pages/ManOWarShortBlockKits.htm
$7000 for an aluminum shortblock, just $100 more than an aluminum 427w shortblock.
I am a authenticity nut. With that said, Cobras came two ways, 289 or FE.
If you are building a fun car that may resemble a Cobra, current generation small block is OK, maybe even preferred.
If you are building a replica, you only have two choices. (well maybe more since the FE is availaible in about 9 different variations)
If you are looking for return on the dollar invested, FE is the only choice.
Paul
408W to be ordered for mine.
Other Hurricane owners in Dallas have 289, 302, 521, and another which I can't remember.
Enjoy the videos of Dallas Club Cobra on my verizon user site.
Dugly,
Do you have any idea who is into the Clevor building buisiness?
I'm not to far from KCR, and from all the positive feedback I've gotten about him, I'd really like him to build it.
jshel1----when is the next get together in dallas, maybe i can bribe the wife with shopping, then just happen to stop by and check out some cobras.
jason
Jason
Put whatever you want in the car. The vast majority of "replica Cobras" are running one of many versions of a small block. Using a FE motor has many dis-advantages and if you look at the actual selling prices of cars with FE's, they don't sell for much, if any, more than the others. The two people I know that have big blocks admit they wish they would have gone a 351W. Just remember that you are building a replica, NOT an original, and go into knowing that you'll NEVER sell it for what you have into it. The fun is in the building and driving it.
Jim
I agree with Jim, put what you want in it. I personally like having the big block. I like the sound and being able to open the hood and say, "yes, it is a real 427" 8-).
Just my preference.
Dan
QuoteDugly,
Do you have any idea who is into the Clevor building buisiness?
I'm not to far from KCR, and from all the positive feedback I've gotten about him, I'd really like him to build it.
jason
I do know that these guys
Ok...so i called KCR about the Clevor and it was a quick no....kinda sounded like i was the first person ever to ask them that....
also got in contact with the engine shop and got someone who had to be in there sales department....reminded me of when i talked to a certain kit company out of florida.....he didnt have alot to say after i told him that i wasnt buying one right that second
i asked the engine shop about toning down one of there clevors, so it wouldnt be at max bore and stroke for the block, you would have thought i asked him to give up his first born.....but hey...i guess we all have our reputation to uphold...:::grunt grunt:::: bigger, more power more power:::grunt grunt::::
so i guess im gonna give the windsor some serious thought.....or i could just suck it up and go for the pond s.o.
jason
Suck it up, you wont be sory! KCR will build you a very streetable monster. It is NOT too much! [smiley=evil.gif]
Burgs,
you know if you would like to sponsor a soldier, i'll take the 16.5K that the ponds costs..hahaha ;D
j/k
jason
Heck, you can get a complete, ready to run all aluminum 427w from the engine shop for $3k less than that! All aluminum 460w for 2k less than a pond! haha
jason,
sorry for the late reply, i have been away from my computer for a bit. the next meet in dallas is today, champs in irving at 11 with toy run to aer to follow at 1.
dallas group meets first saturday of every month rain or shine, bookmark the texas forum on club cobra and watch for a posting in the days before. last february steve seitz and i braved temps in the low 20's in his superformance, but usual winter/wet get togethers have most taking their daily drivers.
john
john,
im seriously going to have to make it down there for one of yall's get togethers....just might wait until warms up 5-10-30 degrees or so.
i was checking out the videos on your site.....do you know which cars have sb's and which have bb's. really interested in hearing the difference in the sound of each.
jason
Here is a brief synopsis of some of the cars in the movies
Red #22 car has 289 (Unique)
Blue #3 car has 427so (ERA)
Blue #11 car has 514 (Superformance)
Blue #15 Daytona has 302 (FFR)
Silver w/ Black stripe and single roll bar has 302 (Hurricane)
Black Gel Coat (later Red with snake) has 521 (Hurricane)
Maroon #42 car has 347 (Backdraft)
Black #70 car has 351 (Backdraft)
Blue #89 car has 521 (Lonestar)
Silver #5 car has 390 (ERA)
John
Ok....so I was bored at work today and got to thinking (dangerous I know :-/)
So what would you rather have for a really kick a$$ street cobra...
1) A KCR 408 or 427w with fuel injection and supercharger
or
2) The Pond 482 that Keith puts together
hmmmmmmmmm...?????
jason
Neither of those are THAT streetable IMHO. :-/
But I guess it depends what you consider streetable.
This car could be considered "streetable" since it is street legal
(http://static.racingjunk.com/1/ui/5/91/5077591376326.jpg)
What is your power goal? I mean, my 408 with aluminum heads will be around 500hp/500tq. How much power is needed for the street? Put a blower on that and you are talking mid to high 600 #'s!
I think that if you want to drive it on the street, you should always go for the engine with less weight--you're gonna have to turn corners, after all!!
I'd agree, though--I'd doubt that either of the engines you mentioned would be much fun on the street, although I suspect that the EFI on the stroked Windsor might help it be a bit more streetable. Ditch the supercharger, though (IMHO)--you'll make a lot of tire smoke but won't go fast. These things are so light it can be tough to hook up all that power. "If you must be foolish" (borrowing a phrase that the manufacturer of GT40 kits used in response to my question regarding use of a supercharger), a turbocharger might be a bit of a better idea--the turbo lag would at least give you a chance to get going before the RUSH!!! Superchargers give a power boost from idle on up to redline!
Sure good for bench racing, though.
Again, just my opinion.................
Doug 8-)
KCR 482 all the way.
Dan,
just wondering how your genisis 482 is treating you....i read here and there that the genisis block had some problems in the beginning...any truth to that as far as you have noticed?
also, i know the block weighs 30 lbs. more than the original SO...how does the car handle with it>
jason
No problems so far, but I haven't driven it much at all. It is still at paint. Keith says the problems were rectified on the Genisis blocks. I trust him and his work.
IMHO ...... go with a 427w
Plenty of power and you won't break the bank building one and every pound you can get off the front end will make the car handle better on the track. However none of us will be really racing our cars professionally so build a motor that you can drive at the track occasionally and drive on the street most of the time. Big blocks are really close to the foot boxes and will be much warmer on your feet than a small block. (past experience)
If you have the money to do an aluminum block .... go that route but I prefer a cast Dart block.
KC
Coast High Performance
Gordon Levy
They all build 427 ci small blocks or you could just do it yourself .....that's the fun part.
I also didn't mind mine not being authentic ....."they're all fake" ...lol
Lu ;D
Lu,
whenever i sit back and thing about that "they're all fake comment".....it makes me want to throw the all aluminum Z06 engine in the so called "ford" :P and see what it can do.
jason
QuoteI also didn't mind mine not being authentic ....."they're all fake" ...
I wish more people would realize that. They aren't original Cobras and never will be. They're replicas and more are being built every single day. Build whatever you want and don't worry about what the "purists say"(who have replicas as well).
Jim
QuoteLu,
whenever i sit back and thing about that "they're all fake comment".....it makes me want to throw the all aluminum Z06 engine in the so called "ford"
I would like to add to this I'm no engine guy nor a drag racer so I tend to look at the #'s and come to my own conclusion
This post on the ffr form made for some good reading (espically since it is exactlly the motor I'm putting in my hurricane)and it puts into pespective the issues of weight,wheel base and traction verse big horse power
I'm sure I am going to start something here and yes ff guys love to toot there own horns
http://www.ffcobra.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=089460;p=0
Bobby hm 1075
Memo to self: Next build - GTM with a LS9!
Yikes!
Matt
Matt
Believe it or not, a GTM is high on my list for a next project. I think a LS9 crate motor may be a little too expensive though. If I run across a wrecked C6, I think I would jump on it and put it in my shop until I decide.
Jim
the gtm is a goodlooking car I sat in the red and the black one the red one has a ls7 in it and sounds great.
you are kinda laying down when you sit in one being that the roof is only 44" I fit no problem(5-7) but my father inlaw (6-0) wasn't
Theres a guy about 15 miutes away building one thats going to end up getting divorced over the car from what I heard( he spends all his time in the garage)
I have also thought about the gtm for the next project but lurk around in the gtm forum for a while and I garentee you will have reservations, in typical fasion F.F has provided you with a half engineered car nothing lines up on the body with out tons of glass work and most claim almost a 1000 hours just to get the body right plus the time to build the car plus 50-60k to do it kinda right
you can build 4-5 cobras in the time it will take to build one gtm
Dont get me wrong i still want one I think I will wait a little while to see if F.F fixes some of the problems
Bobby
For those of you who like the mid-engine design but want a well engineered ORIGINAL design, check this out:
http://race-car-replicas.com/rcrp.html
This company has incredible engineering and the bloke who owns the company has a great history in the racing field.
I saw the cars at the carlise show great looking chasis's monocote construction with goodlooking all tig welding the bodys look a million time better then a f.f
The downside is they look too much like race cars
Bobby
Does anyone know if you can shoehorn a 4.6/5.4 modular engine into the hurricane. I read that JDM motorsports is making an aluminum 5.4L, like the one in the GT but for wet sump...thought this would be kinda coolish retro style....like an "old meets new" kinda thing. Also, MMR has some smokin' engines.
jason
Bobby's got a 4.6 in his HM-1075.
See his build page at
http://forum.hurricane-motorsports.com/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1185736897/0#0
Looks pretty cool.